[To Admins] Faulty Mechanics |

Published in Bulgaria - Political debates and analysis - 26 - 07 Apr 18 11:12

Hello, I am writing this article to express my lack of satisfaction with one contradictory game mechanic:
I put the question in the #support room of the eDominations server, without much success.

Qin Shi Huang noted that I do this out of my own interest as it concerns the campaign of Bulgaria (and other countries) against Turkey. I understand that way to some extent, but my country was multiple times more facing deletion that it did participate in deletion of countries (that is the first time if I remember well). Please abstain of such ad hominem “arguments”as this situation can happen on every single country (without China as it can’t be wiped according to Qin).

The problem is in the fact that we wiped Turkey. RW was started in a region and as expected, we were ready to start DoWs right after the end of it, trying to do it before Turkey is able to sign MPPs. We managed to start our DoWs just to notice that Turkey has received MPP laws minutes before the end of the battle – I think 4 of the last MPPs fall into that category.

So, it looks like MPP law can be started anytime, while the end result of it will depend on whether the country has any region or not. This makes wiping of a country have 0 sense as the deletion of MPPs is basically imaginary and the income of the regions is laughable comparable to the resources that were spent to achieve it. So with one word we can describe the wipe mechanic contradictory to the way MPPs work.

What is the reason not to be able to start a DoW law in advance and its result to depend on whether the country has region or not? According to Uros Veliki this is to support wiped countries and it isn’t an error. As much as I want to believe that, it’s not true. I will put aside that SJW support of wiped countries against the interest of countries that lead wars, put resources into them.

You said you won’t involve in the game in any way? I see that as a direct involvement of it. The way game develops should only depend on the strength and weakness of the countries – not on the mood of admins that choose to support one side over another.

What about another case of mechanic contradiction? If you have a MPP with a country, you can’t start a DoW law until you CPP the country. Do you know that you can DoW first, then sign MPP without problem that there is running DoW? After this happens, you can attack the country without problems – the game will put down the mpp automatically with no cost. Then you fight as much as you want or need and just sign another MPP afterwards. This puts the CPP law out of use and in certain cases can lead to abuse where the countries will pay way less than to use CPP, DoW, MPP – depending on the circumstances.

I won’t touch on the occasional fails like when FYROM was able to start a DoW way before we could attack them and it was put just as a server delay (the server delayed only for us?) and others as I can’t document them atm and the article is going to become too big.

Maybe I missed something I want to say, but I am ready to continue the discussion in the comment section and hopefully we will get non-biased and not-defensive input from Administration and Moderators. I expect other players to speak out their mind on the matter.

Thank you,
danider

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Comments (26)

07 Apr 18 11:13
Valuk

Free dani

07 Apr 18 11:22
SirDaniderVulkan

First I will address the argument that it is the same for everyone, therefor it isn t harmful. First, one thing being wrong, but available to everyone doesn t make it less wrong, or normal. From there on, if you think that is wrong to change something through active campaigns, you can time the change of this with the coming reset of the map, regions and wars so no one will be harmed.

07 Apr 18 11:25
Polilogas

I agree with you dander! This is so wrong and it must be fixed.

07 Apr 18 11:28
StrongHold

vote

07 Apr 18 11:32
Manduco

hmm yea I dont know how I feel about this. On the one side I understand where you are coming from but on the other side I dont want to see countries permanently wiped. Maybe do a middle point, something like if a country signs mpps while they have more than 5 days left on them (or some other measure) then it should cost double. That way at least it will be more expensive. Its an idea but the point is that it would be imposing some sort of penalty (can be the cost of mpps or something else) but not removing the option all the way.

07 Apr 18 11:32
BGsGold

I regret that administrators sympathize with certain countries more than others

07 Apr 18 11:33
FazI

!!!!

07 Apr 18 11:35
zebosk

you lose, you cry, you win, you cry. no d*ck size fits you... :shrugs:

07 Apr 18 11:35
Komita

So tell me, when did you noticed this faulty mechanics?

07 Apr 18 11:42
SirDaniderVulkan

@Zebosk, no dick fits me as I am not accustomed to taking them, but looks like mine did fit well, because you miss it. @vers I noticed it now, as this is the first time I am in this scenario. I would like ot hear more about what you imply.

07 Apr 18 11:44
enigma the one

Vers when macedonia was wiped first and we did notify game administration, but they didn t care

07 Apr 18 11:45
Qin Shi Huang

As I wrote it on discord, rules and mechanic need to be same for everyone, this all could be ( I dont day it should be ) fixed with grand update administration announced for end of April. Also I will tell you this maybe you dont remember but some ppl in this game will remember Im sure, in past while you played for China and USA, BG was deleted multiple times, and same this as you call it bug was used in their case, and noone make a noise about it, but now when turkey signs MPP this way its a problem? I never addressed you personally as one that used this option in past, I just say it was used, and in past noone cared about it. Dont get this wrong, I dont really care if its fixed or not, it wont make much difference cuz DoW need 24h same as MPP and after you send DoW law and other country send MPP after 24h you will have same situation as you have it now. About other problem CPP/DoW/MPP I wont even comment it. Wish you best luck with your suggestion to admins I hope you will make some change in game and make it alive.

07 Apr 18 11:53
Elon Musk

I remember this thingy with FYROM. There was a running RW and we were on the buttons to DoW just to find out that FYROM was able to DoW us like 3 mins before the end of the battle with 0 regions at that point, Hue, ofc when reported nothing happened...it was legit...so as i said on discord..bugs should be fixed instead the administration pretends all the bugs regarding the mechanincs of the game are part of the game and theres nothing wrong, this thing with the MPPs was reported by me few months back, ofc got the same answer... so heres my question - why bother reporting anything at all when at the end of the day it all ends up to be part of the game u know, or atleast so they claim. Simply amazing....

07 Apr 18 11:58
M4gnus

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07 Apr 18 11:59
SirDaniderVulkan

First, I didn t report exactly this as I didn t use or it wasnt used against me when I was in government and had access to such environment, but on the other way I spoke about such law conflicts on more than one occasion - there Bulgaria wasn t affected in any way. Also enigma told you that it was put to question before. So that is invalid as argument. But you are not right about it doesnt make a difference, simply because if it is equal there is a chance the country won t be able to sign mpps if we are faster and predict everything (an effort by itself that is now being blocked for no legit reason). I stated why supporting anyone with mechanics is wrong, especially when there is no compensation for the suffering parties.

07 Apr 18 12:44
Kaveh

meh

08 Apr 18 00:39
borja123

Rt admin should be impartial!!!

08 Apr 18 08:45
ATEHTATOPOT

Danider crying when losing crying when winning get a life bro

08 Apr 18 09:16
SirDaniderVulkan

My retarded western bulgarian brother can t take no for an answer and looks for a comeback as usual :(

08 Apr 18 18:27
count zero

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08 Apr 18 20:00
Legit Marcial

Just my 2cents. Game mechanics work the same for everyone so its not admin taking sides. The fact that your country is now in a position where ot could actively wipe another countries doesnt make this a mechanic against you. Its just that you are experiencing it from the side of the wiper and not the wiped. But if it wss the other way around you could use it like any other. Wiping a country should be an hard job and it is specialy if the wiped country has allies just because how the rw medal wworks. Its just mechanics of the game.

09 Apr 18 04:09
SirDaniderVulkan

All of you can t grasp the most simple thing - different mechanics contradict each other and yet you are all here explaining how it is intentional and to help someone or whatever. My hopes for this games are all-time low.

09 Apr 18 13:13
IlijaOldAcc

MPP law can be started anytime, because of the situation which you described in this article but couldnt see it from the other point of view. Without having this possibility, what would be the chances for wiped country to get free and to release occupied regions? All depends from occupier, but in that position, if occupier have intention to keep country deleted, chances of deleted country to release from the occupier are really low. So, facing possible mpp battle without mpps on their side and against occupier + all of their mpps on the other side, we dont find as a fair game mechanic for occupied country. I cant tell you about motives for deleting country, you can find them in tactical and personal wishes of your leaders, but from our side of view, this mechanic is fair enough for the both sides at the battlefield. Also, our interest is to keep players active in the game, if they face a long period of time for their country being deleted, it can reflect on their activity in the game and if they dont find interesting playing for the other country, they can quit the game. Because of those reasons, we think this mechanics is just fine and fair for all players in this game. If you have any suggestions realted to this mechanic, feel free to share with us, but pay attention to meet these requierements from previous said things.

09 Apr 18 13:17
IlijaOldAcc

About other topic from your article, unlike the first one, i can see the point of it and we may do something to change mechanics of DoW/MPP/CPP law.

09 Apr 18 14:31
SirDaniderVulkan

Okay, I have few things in answer of what you wrote. 1. I don t agree that MPP is directly related to freeing of region. One wiped country starts RW to free its region, where it can receive help by the whole world with TR medals, while the occupier is left alone. This itself is a boost big enough to compensate wiped countries - with a little bit of diplomacy, every country can free its regions. MPPs start to matter after wipe, free of a region when BOTH countries can start a DoW, not just the occupier, so it s matter of being prepared and being faster - not of how big you are. If they start the DoW faster, they can sign as much MPPs as they want - it is equal chanced things. Then it goes on DW, while they can have more RWs and son. 2. I can t agree that you let MPPs be signed anytime to help countries, simply because the fact that if you wanted to help those countries, you would not make the rule that MPPs fall after wipe - I continue to state that this is a product of untought conclusion. The only other legitimate option is that you use this to take money out of the game - which is completely fine, but don t say it s not a bug, we support this and that and stuff - say it the way it is. 3. No matter whether one mechanic will change or not - it should be described in wiki in details, which is not the case for this one.

12 Apr 18 17:22
IlijaOldAcc

1. I was talking about full liberation of country, which means that country keeps its liberation after releasing RW. Yes, its true they have advantage with TR medals, but when they release, without MPPs their chances to fight directly against occupier are really low. Thats why they have option to start mpp laws earlier. 2. First goal is to help countries, i didnt say its the only goal for lets say MPP falling rule 3. About that i will try to do something after regions update.